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#1 Rob Newman

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

Hi all...

For those out there who have been wondering and asking about the compatibility of UK2000 airport sceneries with the upcoming FTX England, here is a little information and some comparison shots so you can see for yourself :)

Firstly, let me just make a few points. These have all been raised before, but as this post is specific to the issue, it's worth repeating...

1. UK2000 airports will work and be visible in FTX England provided the UK2000 scenery entry is above the FTX ENG region in your scenery library. You can ensure this is always the case by using the FTX Central application to set the FTX entry points below UK2000.

2. UK2000 airports were designed to be seamless with the UK photographic scenery. As such, they use slightly different elevation data. UK2000 airports also use a standard flat surface over one level which can lead to cliffs and ridges surrounding the airports (especially in hilly areas). FTX "default" airports use a special graded flatten system that blends the flat airports into surrounding terrain.

Edit: I was mistaken about the different elevation of the UK2000 airports... They use the same elevation as the FTX ENG airports. The difference lies in the methods used to blend the "platform" the airport is forced to sit on (due the the FSX "flat airport" limitation) and the surrounding tarrain in order to avoid cliffs and cuttings. UK2000 tends to have more noticeable edges to the airports... See the small ridges just off the approach end of Brize Norton's runway.

3. Similarly, UK2000 airport colour palettes were also designed to work seamlessly with the photographic scenery. FTX Eng uses a more vibrant, arguably better looking palette so UK2000 airports can appear a little washed out. This can be avoided by using the UK2000 control panel option of "No Background Image", but then you will lose some of the photographic elements of the UK2000 scenery (including some runways and taxiways).

4. FTX England will ship with complete coverage of UK airports, all of which have been "Orbified" and enhanced well beyond the current FSX default. The screenshots of the FTX airports below however are from part way through the development process... Neil Hill, our airport guru, has recently completed a final pass of all airports to add a little further enhancement to each one...


Below you will see for yourself the differences between the FTX airports vs UK2000. At the end of the day, the choice is yours! (It's good to have choices ;) )

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EDIT: I won't be changing the pictures here, but as has been pointed out, I made a mistake naming these shots... The above airport is indeed BRIZE NORTON (EGVN), not BOSCOMBE DOWN (EGDM).

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:10 PM

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to show us those comparisons Rob. Very much appreciated...

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

I am very interested in the London City Airport comparison,but thanks for the shots so far

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:54 AM

Those must be from the UK2000 VFR series? I bet the Xtreme stuff will look even better. Am encouraged by the look of FTX fall colors, so much better than the default. More!!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

Extreme or not, I see nothing wrong with the way the UK sceneries mix with ORBX. Gives me an excuse to buy the ones I'm missing. :D

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

Think you just made there VFR part 1/2/3 a must buy to go with Orbx UK

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:58 PM

Sorry. Not impressed. The division between the two sceneries is two marked and I'm certainly not impressed with the road running throught the housing estate!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

Rob

Your EGDM is not the right airport. EGDM is Boscombe Down and this picture is of Brize Norton EGVN.

I would concur with some of the comments above about the FTX airfields. I think I would rather stick with Gary Summons UK2000.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:14 PM

yeah from what I have seen so far i will stick with uk2000 and generation X but will probably buy the ftx goodwood but not southampton as the uk2000 version is as good as i need
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:09 PM

yeah from what I have seen so far i will stick with uk2000 and generation X but will probably buy the ftx goodwood but not southampton as the uk2000 version is as good as i need


I think you will find that FTX Goodwood will require FTX England and as such wont work with the Gen X photo scenery.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

Sorry. Not impressed. The division between the two sceneries is two marked and I'm certainly not impressed with the road running throught the housing estate!

John


With landclass based scenery, this is unavoidable. Perhaps you should be impressed with the fact that those roads line up perfectly with the PR scenery.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:12 AM

Very cool.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:20 AM

I'm not sure the intention of the posts was to impress anyone, ORBX is making their product on their own. I think it's just to show and answer the question of what it will be like where the two addons meet. to be honest there are drawbacks either way, but I don't think the combination of UK2000 and ORBX looks bad at all, I was expecting the transition to be more jarring, and if UK2000 patches the color palette, so much the better. I am far from the grammar police as well, but I would say if you're just popping in to take a swipe at someone's work, you might want to say "too marked" instead of "two marked". Irony being what it is...
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:13 AM

Just to clarify, FTX England is a landclass region product, not an airport product. When we began developing our FTX series back in 2007 and released Australia, we never ever touched the default FSX airports, and we sold each region for about 30% more than we do now.

However, now we spend literally several thousand paid contractor hours per region to match each airport to accurate layouts based on aerial imagery, add buildings, vehicles, static aircraft, even PeopleFlow2 and grass etc. It means that a customer who purchases FTX England can enjoy the entire region with very accurate facsimiles of all the FSX airports to land into.

All this for about £26, which is stupidly cheap and also means our regions tend to not be profitable for us until about 2.5 years after release.

So please keep that in mind if you are sending some vibes our way that our airports don't compete with purpose built photoreal products.

We do intend to release many UK HD photoreal airports for which our team is famous for, and indeed some of those may compete with existing products already on the market, because we build to our own standard that our customers have come to expect from Orbx.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

Hey John,

Seeing as I start my Christmas flight from Greenwich each year; can I have a new sleigh for this years flight back to Australia?

The pennies are being saved in anticipation for ORBX UK. Go forth and conquer the market.. you deserve to!

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

So please keep that in mind if you are sending some vibes our way that our airports don't compete with purpose built photoreal products.

I think what we see are the two products work side by side and complement each other.

Personally I think the perfect combination would be your airports with people flow etc and just use there VRF photorealism underneath. Because your airports e.g like in NZ North etc are great, but just lack that lovely photo real base like the above SS show and add so much. That might even be a thought for you to see if possible to incorporate in the future?

£26? That is cheap.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:07 PM

Ah, that's better JV. Glad you cleared that up. I wrongly got the impression that airports were not being included. So people won't need to use UK2000, or any other addon airports, which is good because obviously Orbx airports are going to blend in and fit FTX scenery better than anyone else's.

Actually,with the possible exception of Darren's ES and Tony M's Arm Computers, I prefer Orbx airports better than any others that are available in the UK. They are full of interest and very realistic.

As for pricing, apart from freeware, nothing can compete with Orbx.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

I realise I shouldn't invite you to raise prices, but 26GBP is ridiculously cheap. I know that you have to compete with other scenery makers, but a carefully raised price would be acceptable to your now very large consumer group.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

I prefer Orbx airports better than any others that are available in the UK. They are full of interest and very realistic.

Your talking about Goodwood I take it?

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

I think what we see are the two products work side by side and complement each other.


Exactly my feelings too. I bought all 3 UK2000 VFR airport regions (available as an offer on their web site) in anticipation of FTX England.

Three points to consider IMO:
1) The recent FTX scenery add-ons have all had pretty reasonable airfields so nobody NEEDS to buy anything other than the FTX if they don't want to.
2) UK2000 don't cover EVERY VFR field anyway and when you install them you can decide to deselect any field you have a copy of from another publisher. Your choice and your control.
3) We all know that the FTX fields contain more detail than the UK2000 fields but they aren't going to be able to release anywhere near as many as are contained already in the UK2000 package straight away.

When FTX release a better version of any field that I want to use I'll merely substitute that for the UK2000 one I've already got.

Jet jockeys will probably like the UK2000 extreme airports and seeing how well (IMO) the VFR fields work with FTX they are a no-brainer until (if - they already get great reviews) someone comes up with a better version. Like FTX, UK2000's stuff all scores well in the frame rate hit department.

Nobody HAS to buy any of it but thanks to Rob's post we can now judge for ourselves.

BTW you can download demo and reduced feature versions of a lot of UK2000's stuff to try before you buy.

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